Wednesday, June 9, 2010
Swallowing the Poison Pill
Before I get back to more practical aspects of dealing with this disease there is one leftover from the London Conference about which I want to write. It links together with a few other behavioral and professional "strangenesses" and makes me wonder what is going on in the world of CFS research.
The CFS/ME world is a funny place. There was a time, years ago, when Dr. Jonathan Kerr, researcher, was seen as a hero. In 2005 he announced discoveries in genetic and CFS/ME that were seen as revolutionary.
An article in 2005 said this: “British researchers led by Dr Jonathan Kerr "believe they have pinpointed biological markers of chronic fatigue syndrome which could help develop a test and treatment for the condition.”
Around this time, I saw him in a television interview saying that there would be treatment for CFS/ME in a year and a marker in two years, tops. Researchers cannot restrain themselves. They say whatever comes to their heads, make shit up out of whole cloth and people believe them. I watched the interview several times. It was what everyone in the CFS/ME world wanted to hear, yet I remained skeptical. Nevertheless this was real CFS/ME research, and in the UK of all places. I have followed him closely since then, seeing him at conferences in FL, Reno, Baltimore and four times in London. I am a great admirer of Dr. Kerr.
Four years ago this was in a newspaper article: “"We've found that the genes in patients' white blood cells — a key part of the immune system — are switched on and off in an abnormal fashion," Kerr says. The hope is that a relatively old drug, called interferon beta, can help to restore the balance. A controlled trial is planned. What researchers such as Kerr find disheartening is that there seems to be little official support for this biological-based research (in CFS/ME) in Britain. The bulk of the funding has gone to the psychological approach.”
While the interferon beta trial was never funded, Kerr did soldier on and another important article was published in 2008: “In the UK, Kerr has demonstrated differential expression in 88 genes [85 up-regulated and 3 down-regulated] indicating hematological disease and function, immunological disease and function, cancer, cell death, and infection, all of which are seen in ME/CFS but not in states of psychiatric fatigue.” [J Infect Dis 2008:197(8): 1171-1184]
In 2008 Kerr gave every indication that he was on the top of his game, moving forward at his own pace and maintaining his independence. He presented at the 2008 London Invest in ME conference and my report is here: “Next up Jonathan Kerr gave his usual fine low-key and precise lecture. He is usually allotted a half-hour, which I suppose is all that he needs to present his important work. He presented his gene expression work in his soft-spoken voice, and there was nothing new here. He and his group have identified seven subtypes, each which has a potential treatment with existing drugs. They are working on a marker (or markers) in order to identify subtypes. No timeline for a marker, or markers, was given. Presumably and eventually, trials with specific existing drugs with subtypes could be done. Kerr did reveal that his application for a trial of Enteracept on a subgroup was turned down by the government - and that this trial is not going to happen. The most poignant moment came at the end of his lecture where he put up a picture of his “group”, the same photo he has shown in the past - six researchers. This group has now dwindled to three - as his funding has been cut, and he gets no funding from the UK government health ministries. Fortunately he is working in collaboration with a group of Americans, who have a deeper appreciation of his work.”
In 2009 and earlier it became apparent that Kerr was working closely with the folks at WPI – or visa versa. Together they were awarded a NIH grant, the first grant that the WPI received. It promised a bright future for genetic research and international cooperation, this latter idea being one of the hallmarks of the WPI. The WPI pledged from the beginning to reach out to researchers worldwide, to share information and to work collaboratively. The relationship with Jonathan Kerr seemed to be a good example of how “collaboration” might work. Small groups of people in different parts of the globe communicating instantly through the internet.
The expectation built throughout 2009 that something big was going to come out of the WPI. Sure enough we found out about XMRV in October. Since then, not much has been heard from Kerr. He has, for whatever reason, become the “forgotten man” of CFS/ME. His name did surface in March of 2010, tacked onto the end of a strangely negative validation study of XMRV. Everyone and his mother was surprised by his name being there - and wondered why and how this could be.
Jonathan Kerr was invited to update his research at the Invest in ME conference in May 2010. He was not in attendance as the conference began and came slinking in halfway through the morning. He gave a very short lecture where he turned away from the microphone towards the slides on the screen and talked in his usual inaudible voice. No one could hear anything that he was saying. A woman patient raised her hand and asked him to speak louder or into the microphone and Richard Simpson hustled up to the lectern to adjust the microphone so that it could be closer to Kerr. Kerr continued to speak turned completely away from the microphone, in a way now that seemed deliberate. He also showed slides that were entirely bleached out and it was totally impossible to see any of the distinctions that he was pointing out. The upshot was that the spectator had no idea what they were observing. At the end of this very short talk he put up a slide of the names of his research help including that it was funded by the ME Trust. Gone was the usual photograph of his young and pleasant looking researchers. What happened to these nice young optimistic researchers? Their picture, though dwindling in number, always gave us hope. What happened?
To this observer it was obvious that Dr. Kerr was embarrassed and did not want to be at this conference. His entire manner and presentation, or lack of presentation, spoke of him just wanting to disappear. He was noticeably not interacting as in the past. He seemed like dead weight, and psychologically half his size.
How did we get to this point? What has happened to our vaunted British colleague? What was with his name being placed on this bogus study, negative for XMRV? Here is my suggestion:
It had been obvious from the beginning that Dr. Kerr’s CFS/ME gene work did not win approval from his colleagues in the UK. His work, though dramatic, was not encouraged - evidenced by his diminished funding and the specific rejection of his Interecept trial (This was shocking.). The writing was on the wall and things obviously got hotter for him when he collaborated with this rogue agency in the US, this WPI place. And then XMRV hit the fan and that was enough for Dr. Kerr’s colleagues. They pulled the plug on him. In various countries, they put polonium 210 in the soup, in the UK they just give the “poison pill” (in a collegial manner).
I imagine that Kerr always expected that something bad was going to happen. So he must not have been surprised when the late night call came, or someone cornered him in the hallway of his tiny research facility - urging him to disassociate himself from “these people”. This friendly fellow or gal, a fully supportive, honest soul, must have said to him, “Jon, pull yourself together, just take this pill, just take this poison pill. Swallow it with a full glass of water.”
Kerr, not having many options, swallowed the pill. (Some people, in their eagerness, take two pills.) The “trusted” fellow, whomever or wherever, informed Kerr, in his smug self-satisfied way, that he could “keep his job” and the ME Trust would keep his pitifully funded efforts going. Otherwise, if he strayed, he would be “chucked”.
What I would like to know is what happens to the joint research project with the WPI now that Kerr has been “disappeared”? From the PR side of things, it looks like someone from the UK is trying to send a message. This tactic is a very effective way to “cut off research dollars”.
(Perhaps there are two sides to this story. I would like to hear it.)
Try to connect the dots here. This isn’t science, this is shit. It is tough to lose a fine CFS/ME researcher like this. There are not very many of them in CFS/ME. Kerr should suck it up and move to the United States.
The CFS/ME world is a funny place. There was a time, years ago, when Dr. Jonathan Kerr, researcher, was seen as a hero. In 2005 he announced discoveries in genetic and CFS/ME that were seen as revolutionary.
An article in 2005 said this: “British researchers led by Dr Jonathan Kerr "believe they have pinpointed biological markers of chronic fatigue syndrome which could help develop a test and treatment for the condition.”
Around this time, I saw him in a television interview saying that there would be treatment for CFS/ME in a year and a marker in two years, tops. Researchers cannot restrain themselves. They say whatever comes to their heads, make shit up out of whole cloth and people believe them. I watched the interview several times. It was what everyone in the CFS/ME world wanted to hear, yet I remained skeptical. Nevertheless this was real CFS/ME research, and in the UK of all places. I have followed him closely since then, seeing him at conferences in FL, Reno, Baltimore and four times in London. I am a great admirer of Dr. Kerr.
Four years ago this was in a newspaper article: “"We've found that the genes in patients' white blood cells — a key part of the immune system — are switched on and off in an abnormal fashion," Kerr says. The hope is that a relatively old drug, called interferon beta, can help to restore the balance. A controlled trial is planned. What researchers such as Kerr find disheartening is that there seems to be little official support for this biological-based research (in CFS/ME) in Britain. The bulk of the funding has gone to the psychological approach.”
While the interferon beta trial was never funded, Kerr did soldier on and another important article was published in 2008: “In the UK, Kerr has demonstrated differential expression in 88 genes [85 up-regulated and 3 down-regulated] indicating hematological disease and function, immunological disease and function, cancer, cell death, and infection, all of which are seen in ME/CFS but not in states of psychiatric fatigue.” [J Infect Dis 2008:197(8): 1171-1184]
In 2008 Kerr gave every indication that he was on the top of his game, moving forward at his own pace and maintaining his independence. He presented at the 2008 London Invest in ME conference and my report is here: “Next up Jonathan Kerr gave his usual fine low-key and precise lecture. He is usually allotted a half-hour, which I suppose is all that he needs to present his important work. He presented his gene expression work in his soft-spoken voice, and there was nothing new here. He and his group have identified seven subtypes, each which has a potential treatment with existing drugs. They are working on a marker (or markers) in order to identify subtypes. No timeline for a marker, or markers, was given. Presumably and eventually, trials with specific existing drugs with subtypes could be done. Kerr did reveal that his application for a trial of Enteracept on a subgroup was turned down by the government - and that this trial is not going to happen. The most poignant moment came at the end of his lecture where he put up a picture of his “group”, the same photo he has shown in the past - six researchers. This group has now dwindled to three - as his funding has been cut, and he gets no funding from the UK government health ministries. Fortunately he is working in collaboration with a group of Americans, who have a deeper appreciation of his work.”
In 2009 and earlier it became apparent that Kerr was working closely with the folks at WPI – or visa versa. Together they were awarded a NIH grant, the first grant that the WPI received. It promised a bright future for genetic research and international cooperation, this latter idea being one of the hallmarks of the WPI. The WPI pledged from the beginning to reach out to researchers worldwide, to share information and to work collaboratively. The relationship with Jonathan Kerr seemed to be a good example of how “collaboration” might work. Small groups of people in different parts of the globe communicating instantly through the internet.
The expectation built throughout 2009 that something big was going to come out of the WPI. Sure enough we found out about XMRV in October. Since then, not much has been heard from Kerr. He has, for whatever reason, become the “forgotten man” of CFS/ME. His name did surface in March of 2010, tacked onto the end of a strangely negative validation study of XMRV. Everyone and his mother was surprised by his name being there - and wondered why and how this could be.
Jonathan Kerr was invited to update his research at the Invest in ME conference in May 2010. He was not in attendance as the conference began and came slinking in halfway through the morning. He gave a very short lecture where he turned away from the microphone towards the slides on the screen and talked in his usual inaudible voice. No one could hear anything that he was saying. A woman patient raised her hand and asked him to speak louder or into the microphone and Richard Simpson hustled up to the lectern to adjust the microphone so that it could be closer to Kerr. Kerr continued to speak turned completely away from the microphone, in a way now that seemed deliberate. He also showed slides that were entirely bleached out and it was totally impossible to see any of the distinctions that he was pointing out. The upshot was that the spectator had no idea what they were observing. At the end of this very short talk he put up a slide of the names of his research help including that it was funded by the ME Trust. Gone was the usual photograph of his young and pleasant looking researchers. What happened to these nice young optimistic researchers? Their picture, though dwindling in number, always gave us hope. What happened?
To this observer it was obvious that Dr. Kerr was embarrassed and did not want to be at this conference. His entire manner and presentation, or lack of presentation, spoke of him just wanting to disappear. He was noticeably not interacting as in the past. He seemed like dead weight, and psychologically half his size.
How did we get to this point? What has happened to our vaunted British colleague? What was with his name being placed on this bogus study, negative for XMRV? Here is my suggestion:
It had been obvious from the beginning that Dr. Kerr’s CFS/ME gene work did not win approval from his colleagues in the UK. His work, though dramatic, was not encouraged - evidenced by his diminished funding and the specific rejection of his Interecept trial (This was shocking.). The writing was on the wall and things obviously got hotter for him when he collaborated with this rogue agency in the US, this WPI place. And then XMRV hit the fan and that was enough for Dr. Kerr’s colleagues. They pulled the plug on him. In various countries, they put polonium 210 in the soup, in the UK they just give the “poison pill” (in a collegial manner).
I imagine that Kerr always expected that something bad was going to happen. So he must not have been surprised when the late night call came, or someone cornered him in the hallway of his tiny research facility - urging him to disassociate himself from “these people”. This friendly fellow or gal, a fully supportive, honest soul, must have said to him, “Jon, pull yourself together, just take this pill, just take this poison pill. Swallow it with a full glass of water.”
Kerr, not having many options, swallowed the pill. (Some people, in their eagerness, take two pills.) The “trusted” fellow, whomever or wherever, informed Kerr, in his smug self-satisfied way, that he could “keep his job” and the ME Trust would keep his pitifully funded efforts going. Otherwise, if he strayed, he would be “chucked”.
What I would like to know is what happens to the joint research project with the WPI now that Kerr has been “disappeared”? From the PR side of things, it looks like someone from the UK is trying to send a message. This tactic is a very effective way to “cut off research dollars”.
(Perhaps there are two sides to this story. I would like to hear it.)
Try to connect the dots here. This isn’t science, this is shit. It is tough to lose a fine CFS/ME researcher like this. There are not very many of them in CFS/ME. Kerr should suck it up and move to the United States.
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Forwarded upon request from Dr. Enlander:
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I am a friend and colleague of Jonathan Kerr, he has not been adequately funded by either the MRC or other government agencies in Britain. Jonathan is not in clinical practice, he does not see patients. In a previous CFS gene study, I sent patient specimens for the study. Several months ago I sent him 50-100 patient blood specimens to confirm or deny the previous XMRV studies, all of these have not been tested, we await the results of these tests.
Derek Enlander MD
New York
Derek, I really firmly suggest that you will send some of these patient's samples (let's say, 10 of them - or even 10 other patients, although the latter suggestion is not the best one) to the WPI (or at least to the the VIP Dx lab) for testing - if not because you suspect Dr. Kerr (and I guess you do not suspect him), to see, perhaps, his methods are not able to detect XMRV whenever it's there, even if he thinks they are. I believe that it is much harder to find false positives for XMRV than to find false negatives - and the contamination theories are redicilous (For few reasons, that too of them are: How can one contaminant a blood sample in a wat that it would show antibodies? And why are only the ME/CFS patients' samples contaminated, in more than one time that WPI and/or VIP Dx tested samples of ME/CFS patients - and the samples of the healthy controls are not?).
ReplyDeleteIt seems to me that if he gets a negative answer for these patients - we would again not find the truth but actually find nothing - because he is not a researcher that have already showed that he is able to find XMRV when it's there. Again, even if his motives are absolutely pure, he might just be making mistakes that prevent him from finding the truth here. I find it hard to believe that his study regarding XMRV used methods that could find XMRV whenever it's there, or even most of the times - when it checks a real blood sample of a real human being.
I believe the WPI and/or VIP Dx would be happy to collaborate with you on that. Here are their websites:
www.wpinstitue.org
www.vipdx.com
You can contact Dr. Mikovits personally on the folowing mail address: judym@wpinstitute.org
She answers, by the way.
Thank you for this incredibly clear and detailed post. I just discovered your blog lately but plan on coming by more often. Added a link to my blog.
ReplyDeletePlease keep up the great work you are doing especially for all of us who have been suffering for so long.
Regarding Dr. Kerr's funding: the main funders over the years have been the CFS Research Foundation HTTP://www.CFSRF.com . Two other funders are the Irish ME Trust http://www.imet.ie and ME Research UK HTTP://www.meresearch.org.uk to a much lesser extent.
ReplyDeleteDr. Kerr has published two studies since Oct 2009:
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Antibody to parvovirus B19 nonstructural protein is associated with chronic arthralgia in patients with chronic fatigue syndrome/myalgic encephalomyelitis.
J Gen Virol. 2010 Apr;91(Pt 4):893-7. Epub 2009 Dec 9.
Kerr JR, Gough J, Richards SC, Main J, Enlander D, McCreary M, Komaroff AL, Chia JK.
Department of Cellular & Molecular Medicine, St George's University of London, London, UK. jkerr@sgul.ac.uk
Abstract
Chronic fatigue syndrome/myalgic encephalomyelitis (CFS/ME) is a neuro-immune disease of uncertain pathogenesis.
Human parvovirus B19 infection has been shown to occur just prior to development of the onset of CFS/ME in several cases, although B19 seroprevalence studies do not show any significant differences between CFS/ME and controls.
In this study, we analysed parvovirus B19 markers in CFS/ME patients (n=200), diagnosed according to Fukuda CDC criteria, and normal blood donors (n=200).
Serum from each subject was tested for anti-B19 VP2 IgM and IgG (by Biotrin ELISA), anti-B19 NS1 IgM and IgG (by immunofluorescence), and B19 DNA (by real-time PCR).
CFS/ME patients and normal blood donors had a similar B19 seroprevalence (75 % versus 78 %, respectively).
Eighty-three CFS patients (41.5 %) as compared with fourteen (7 %) normal blood donors tested positive for anti-B19 NS1 IgG (chi(2)=64.8; P<0.0001; odds ratio=9.42, CI 5.11-17.38).
Of these 83 patients, 61 complained of chronic joint pain, while 22 did not.
Parvovirus B19 DNA was detected in serum of 11 CFS patients and none of the controls by Taqman real-time PCR (chi(2)=9.35, P<0.002).
Positivity for anti-B19 NS1 IgG was associated with higher expression levels of the human CFS-associated genes NHLH1 and GABPA.
As NS1 antibodies are thought to indicate chronic or severe courses of B19 infection, these findings suggest that although the seroprevalence of B19 in CFS patients is similar to controls, the immune control of the virus in these patients may not be efficient.
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(I had to split up the last post because of the character count)
ReplyDeleteJ Clin Pathol. 2010 Feb;63(2):156-64. Epub 2009 Dec 2.
Microbial infections in eight genomic subtypes of chronic fatigue syndrome/myalgic encephalomyelitis.
Zhang L, Gough J, Christmas D, Mattey DL, Richards SC, Main J, Enlander D, Honeybourne D, Ayres JG, Nutt DJ, Kerr JR.
Department of Cellular & Molecular Medicine, St George's University of London, London, UK.
Abstract
BACKGROUND: The authors have previously reported genomic subtypes of chronic fatigue syndrome/myalgic encephalomyelitis (CFS/ME) based on expression of 88 human genes. AIM: To attempt to reproduce these findings, determine the specificity of this signature to CFS/ME, and test for associations between CFS/ME subtype and infection.
METHODS: Expression levels of 88 human genes were determined in blood of 62 new patients with idiopathic CFS/ME (according to Fukuda criteria), six patients with Q-fever-associated CFS/ME from the Birmingham Q-fever outbreak (according to Fukuda criteria), 14 patients with endogenous depression (according to DSM-IV criteria) and 29 normal blood donors.
RESULTS: In patients with CFS/ME, differential expression was confirmed for all 88 genes. Q-CFS/ME had similar patterns of gene expression to idiopathic CFS/ME. Gene expression in patients with endogenous depression was similar to that in the normal controls, except for upregulation of five genes (APP, CREBBP, GNAS, PDCD2 and PDCD6). Clustering of combined gene data in CFS/ME patients for this and the authors' previous study (117 CFS/ME patients) revealed genomic subtypes with distinct differences in SF36 scores, clinical phenotypes, severity and geographical distribution. Antibody testing for Epstein-Barr virus, enterovirus, Coxiella burnetii and parvovirus B19 revealed evidence of subtype-specific relationships for Epstein-Barr virus and enterovirus, the two most common infectious triggers of CFS/ME.
CONCLUSIONS: This study confirms the involvement of these genes in CFS/ME.
Some more info on the Parvovirus B19 study:
ReplyDelete"Parvovirus B19 DNAaemia was documented in 11 CFS patients as compared with none of the controls. In a previous study (Kerr et al, 2001), 4 of 5 patients with B19-associated CFS (ie patients followed from the time of detection of anti B19 IgM whose CFS-like symptom onset occurred comtemporaneously with detection of anti-B19 IgM, and whose symptoms persisted such they later fulfilled diagnostic criteria for CFS)
exhibited B19 DNAaemia at follow-up. Therefore, this finding may suggest that the disease
in these 11 patients, may have been somehow induced by acute B19 infection. ****Such
patients have previously been shown to respond very well to intravenous immunoglobulin
(IVIG)****, the only specific treatment for parvovirus B19 infection (Kerr et al, 2003). In
patients with antibodies to anti-B19 NS1, but without parvovirus B19 DNAaemia, it is possible that the parvovirus infection was latent and reactivated at a low level."
References from above:
Kerr JR, Barah F, Mattey DL, Laing I, Hopkins SJ, Hutchinson IV, Tyrrell DA. (2001). Circulating tumour necrosis factor-alpha and interferon-gamma are detectable during acute and convalescent parvovirus B19 infection and are associated with prolonged and chronic fatigue. J Gen Virol 82:3011-3019. [TK: This is available on the CFS Research Foundation's publications
webpage: http://www.cfsrf.com/Publications.htm - direct address: http://www.cfsrf.com/pdf/JGV.pdf ]
Kerr JR, Cunniffe VS, Kelleher P, Bernstein RM, Bruce IN. (2003). Successful intravenous immunoglobulin (IVIG) therapy in parvovirus B19-associated chronic fatigue syndrome (CFS). Clin Infect Dis 36:e100-6.
[TK: This is available on the CFS Research Foundation's publications webpage: http://www.cfsrf.com/Publications.htm - direct address: http://www.cfsrf.com/pdf/ivig.pdf]
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Reminder that there were in total 200 patients with "CFS/ME" from the US and UK in this study.
This would mean that 11/200=5.5% of CFS patients on average would have Parvovirus B19 DNAaemia that could be found by testing at follow-up (i.e.
testing at the start of the illness isn't required) and be prime candidates for intravenous immunoglobulin (IVIG)
As mentioned above, the 2001 study found that 4/5 (=80%) of those with parvovirus B19-associated CFS exhibited B19 DNAaemia at follow-up. [In the 2001 study, the 39 patients with parvovirus who were followed were contacted after a follow-up period of 2-37 months (mean of 22 +/- 5 months)]. In the 2009 paper, the mean duration of illness for the whole sample was 3.67 years or 44 months.
If it was the same rate at 3.67 years, a further 5.5%/4=1.375% would be candidates for intravenous immunoglobulin (IVIG) (on top of the
aforementioned 5.5%) as their illness would have started with Parvovirus B19 (i.e. it would appear that 6.875% of cases of CFS started with Parvovirus B19).
If the rate at 3.67 years went down to 60% (say - random figure less than 80% chosen as being less than 80), a further (5.5%/60)*40=3.67% would be candidates for intravenous immunoglobulin (IVIG) (on top of the
aforementioned 5.5%) as their illness would have started with Parvovirus B19 (i.e. that would give a figure of 9.17% of cases of CFS started with Parvovirus B19).
I can't say what might have occured at the Invest in ME Conference as I was not there, but I hardly see Dr. Kerr 'biting the bullet' or 'swallowing the pill', as it were. He did an XMRV study with some of the country's top retrovirologists which came back utterly negative. Methodological complaints aside, for him to work on not just a confirmatory study, but an actual forward moving study on the pathophysiology of XMRV in CFS, would be unseemly. Researchers have to follow protocols. To conduct an initial study which comes back completely negative and yet to continue to forge ahead as if the first study was a resounding sucess would make Dr. Kerr look like a quack. I'm betting he's still completely in the game but has to follow protocol.
ReplyDeleteI don't know about the gene expression work that he turned down though, from what I could see it was going to be him infecting NK cells with XMRV and then measuring gene expression of the infected cells and possibly comparing the gene expression to existing CFS subtypes, although I might be completely wrong in my interpretation. From what I remember, more than a few gene's which he found to be up or down regulated functions were unknown. A previously unknown retrovirus combined with as yet unknown gene expression sounds like it could have been interesting.
As to Dr. Kerr's work with the WPI, an obvious collaboration between the two would be would be to compare the WPI's 5 different CFS subtypes or profiles as determined by cytokine/chemokine profiles/signature and see if any of them match up with Dr. Kerr's 7(or is it 8 now?) different subtypes as determined by gene expression. I see no reason why this study would not still be taking place.
I have had CFS for 23 years. I tried to
ReplyDeleteunderstand politics and the science that
you are following, but fatigue is a problem
Having said that I want to say your daughter
is so fortunate to have you advocate for her
and all of us. If only more family members
would be as involved as you are I'm sure
much good would follow - pushing the research
forward and emotional support as we all wait
for some real help.
Thanks a lot for this great information keep posting and updating the blog.
ReplyDeleteSmith Alan