Showing posts with label ME/CFS Alert. Show all posts
Showing posts with label ME/CFS Alert. Show all posts

Friday, August 16, 2013

Striker drugs or terrain modulation?




Here in Minnesota, I try to escape the role of a patient advocate for a few hours and recapture my own reality. Often I go into the Minneapolis Institute of Art, a very deep and broad collection that takes you into unexpected realms. The museum is always near empty. I am not complaining about this, but it does say something about the larger "culture" in which we live.

I have many favorites here and I visit them each time as if they were old friends, which indeed they are. The above portrait by Goya is high on my "favorites list" and represents for me what doctoring is about - in this age or any age.

It is entitled "Self-portrait with Dr. Arrieta". Goya painted it in 1820 in appreciation of his physician, who saved his life. The inscription at the bottom, painted in oil paint, reads, "Goya gives thanks to his friend Arrieta for the expert care with which he saved his life from an acute and dangerous illness which he suffered at the close of the year 1819 when he was seventy-three years old. He painted it in 1820."

This painting speaks for itself - with subtleties that reveal themselves on close and repeated viewing. In this world of ME/CFS, there are a number of doctors who match Goya's idea of Dr. Arrieta, both for skill and devotion. One of them is Dr. Dan Peterson, who was recently interviewed by Debra Waroff on ME/CFS Alert. As quickly as this twenty-minute video appeared on the internet, it disappeared - for unknown reasons. ProHealth has a written transcript of the interview here.

I stood by chance in a room with Dr. Peterson at the IACFS/ME conference in Reno, NV, in 2009, and witnessed an outpouring of love for this physician from his patients. It was a powerful moment, perhaps the most moving public testament that I have ever seen. Since then I have had the opportunity on a number of occasions to see Dr. Peterson making presentations and lobbying for more research into this nasty illness, ME/CFS.

At the FDA meeting this spring in Bethesda I stumbled into the room where Dr. Peterson was sponsoring, along with Simmaron Research, a small, informal but powerful roundtable discussion regarding treatment. Other physicians were present, including Dr. Nancy Klimas and Dr. Derek Enlander, both of whom provide support and care in the old-fashioned manner of Goya's Dr. Arrieta. The discussions were both lively and informative and more interaction between well-meaning clinicians should be taking place. This specific (pre-FDA meeting) gathering was entirely the result of Dr. Peterson's effort, spending his own time and money to make this happen. Dr. Peterson is a generous soul.

In recent years Dr. Peterson has reached out to establish research and treatment relationships with many other people, most noteworthy being Dr. Andy Kogelnik of the Open Medicine Institute. This looks to be a fruitful collaboration.

I have witnessed similar but larger discussion formats instituted by InvestinME each year now, where they gather a large group of researchers and physicians in one room to have day-long discussions.

In March, Dr. Peterson made a presentation of a clinical study of his use of Vistide in ME/CFS. An article on the use of this drug by Cort Johnson can be found here. Vistide is a heavy-duty antiviral drug that needs to be carefully managed. Dr. Peterson has by far and away the most experience with this drug - and also with Ampligen. Dr. Peterson uses other modalities, also that are in the category of what I would call "striker drugs". They are designed to knock the hell out of a target and allow (or hope to allow) the immune system to get back on top of whatever. I myself have met a number of individuals who have gone through Dr. Peterson's treatments and come out the other side being able to build a better life. On the other hand, I wonder how many patients "blow out" on his treatments?

In looking at Debra Waroff's fine interview I found myself wanting to ask how Dr. Peterson determines that a particular patient would qualify for treatment with Vistide - or for that matter with Ampligen? He obviously makes his decision based on viral titers and other tests - and on his clinical judgement. The specifics interest me.

It is noteworthy that in this short interview Dr. Peterson does not speak of lyme disease or its coinfections, nor does he address mycoplasmas or mycotoxins.

Debra Waroff speaks of Dr. Peterson as the "Father of CFS". In this she is partially correct, as there were two fathers of CFS - the other being Dr. Paul Cheney. Each of these physicians has continued, in straight-line fashion, their separate pursuits of the diagnosis and treatment of this illness. The manner in which they diverge in their approach is worth noting, as their angles of approach are so different and almost seem unbridgeable. One might even believe that they are dealing with two different illnesses. And yet their patient cohorts must be similar, both involving patients coming from all over the world.

If Dr. Peterson utilizes heavy duty drugs to strike a particular target ("a serious drug for a serious illness"), Dr. Cheney eschews this, leaning more in the direction of "terrain issues", the larger contextual field in which the illness pathology operates ("The microbe is nothing, the terrain is everything"). The language of Dr. Cheney does not intersect at all with Dr. Peterson's. With Dr. Cheney there is no mention of Valtrex, or Ampligen, or even Acyclovir. Instead, from Dr. Cheney we hear terms like bison cell-signalling factors, trophic factor, Vaso Intestinal Peptide, adult stem cells, MAF 314, GcMAF, BLAK water, Isoprinosine (Inosine) - all used variously in an effort to alter the terrain instead of directly striking an approximate or assumed target. When Dr. Cheney does bring out the "big guns" to attack a virus it is Artesunate or Colloidal Silver.

Dr. Cheney's ideas are presented in a lecture in another post on this site. The ideas presented in this lecture are totally fascinating. Dr. Cheney has a very individualistic diagnostic device in his IVRT echo machine, a device to which he is seriously tethered. So far very few people seem to be paying attention to Dr. Cheney's important diagnostic and treatment criteria. This is not understandable to me, this marginalization of perhaps the most acute and complex mind in the field. One hopes that Dr. Cheney's impressive work does not go in the direction of Dr. Jay Goldstein's.

While Dr. Cheney maintains a relatively withdrawn or private image (in spite of attending many conferences), he does have important interactions with various clinicians - for instance Dr. Shoemaker, Dr. De Meirleir, and many others outside of the typical ME/CFS arena.

Interestingly, Dr. Cheney also does not talk much about lyme disease. When he does, he is indecisive, as if he is unable to decide where this bacterial element resides in the larger picture.

These two physicians, these two "fathers of CFS" - Dr. Peterson and Dr. Cheney - represent the extremes. It is as if they are in an unspoken contest to get at this illness - from decidedly different directions, from poles as far apart as possible. The world created by the tension between these divergent approaches is totally fascinating. It is in the dynamism - the crunch - of these two approaches that progress is going to happen.

My conclusion, in watching the unfolding diagnosis and treatments in ME/CFS, is that more treatment discussions need to take place, particularly regarding this dynamic of drugs versus terrain modifications.  Many other clinicians - Guyer, Enlander, Klimas - live in the world in between, adopting items from both ends of the spectrum.

There is a great need to have conferences or retreats where treatments are discussed. Some clinicians give an indication of being able to play well in the playpen while others have not. This of course can present problems.

A treatment conference should be held inviting Shoemaker, Enlander, Cheney, Klimas, Peterson, Horowitz, Brewer, Chia, Lerner, Montoya, Bhakta, De Meirleir, Kogelnik, Mikovits and others. The Invest in ME format of one day for private discussions and one day for public lectures is decidedly the best. It would be important to first develop a clinical treatment protocol for newly diagnosed patients. (Additional attention should be given to the severely ill patients, who hold the key to this illness.) There are diagnostics and interventions that can be done now. If these clinicians waver in their confidence in being able to do this, I and other advocates and patients could give them some good starting points. Many of us have learned the hard way.


Friday, February 1, 2013

Dr. John Chia with Llewellyn King, 3rd section




Here is the third section of a very fine interview with Dr. John Chia. The interview is conducted by Llwellyn King. Mr. King does us a great service in conducting these ME/CFS Alert interviews, and presenting ME/CFS information with such clarity. Clarity is something that is in short supply in this illness.

This interview should be required viewing material for anyone who is interested in this illness. Dr. Chia has a firm grasp on a very significant aspect of this complex illness. His ideas are attached to solid evidence - also something that is in short supply in this illness. It is always surprising to me that more clinicians and researchers are not assisting Dr. Chia and his ideas, which incidentally are not new ideas, but take us back to the very first studies of this illness in the UK.

It would be nice to have some validation of Dr. Chia's ideas through other clinical studies involving other clinicians and researchers. Perhaps I am just not privy to this information, but it seems that Dr. Chia is working on his own here - and to me this is a problem, as he has what looks like a significant part of the answer.

I wonder what Dr. Chia would think of Anatabloc? I wonder if he uses it with his patients?

I have written in other posts about Dr. John Chia - for those who might be interested.

Friday, January 11, 2013

More with Dr. John Chia - Llewellyn King Interview

Here is the second part of an ME/CFS Alert interview with Dr. John Chia. Llewellyn King does such a fine job at interviewing his subjects, proving that interviewing is an art. And his subject here, Dr. Chia, is about the best. Dr. Chia has done a great deal of clinical research characterizing a significant insult or pathogen in many ME/CFS patients - enteroviruses (various coxsackie and echo viruses). Here Dr. Chia speaks about treatment with oxymatrine (Equilabrandt), which seems to work in about 50% of cases.

I wonder if any hepatitis drugs in the pipeline would be useful for enteroviruses?

I also wonder if there is some manner in which oxymatrine could be made to be beneficial in a higher percentage of patients - a pretreatment of some sort with diet, gut ecology, and MAF-like substances. Any number of other ways to help lower the collective burden on the immune system might raise the success rate of oxymatrine. Dr. Chia seems to be such an innovator and so individualistic in his thinking - one would have to believe he is thinking along the lines of how to improve efficacy of the one weapon that he has against enteroviruses.

Saturday, December 22, 2012

Llewellyn King interview with Dr. John Chia



Here is an excellent interview by Llewellyn King with Dr. John Chia of Torrance, CA. Dr. Chia is one of the foremost clinician/researchers in ME/CFS focusing on patients who have enterovirus involvement. Once Dr. Chia starts talking I always want to hear more - as this doctor has his finger on the pulse of a significant part of this illness. Fortunately, Llwellyn King promises us more conversation with Dr. Chia in an upcoming interview. Llewellyn King does a very great service in bringing interviews with significant players in this illness, those who are looking for answers. The full set of interviews of ME/CFS Alert can be found here on youtube.